Slightly random questions:

[lolabobs]

Re Supernatural:

I may know what a Tin Hat is. I may have a nodding acquaintance with the concept. But WHY are 'they' called Tin Hats specifically?

Re 'zine Feedback:

What does LOC actually stand for?

Re The Rule of three:

Why is it so strong?


Random Aside:

I know fairy tales are traditionally gruesome and have only been sanitised over time, but I was browsing hrough some Ladybird books the other day - (the 60s era)and they had Snow White choking on the apple and the dwarves keeping her in a glass coffin as she was 'so beautiful', then, after 'many days', a stray prince walks by, spots her and 'falls in love'. He then negotiates with the dwarves to take her dead body and coffin away with him!

Random Aside #2

I think these books are where some of my kinks came from!

Rapunzel - Prince falls from tower, is blinded in the fall and wanders bloody and starving (in the dessert for some reason!?) until she finds him and weeps tears to cure him.

Beauty and the Beast: Beauty pines away for her father and Beast lets her go home to ease her suffering. Beast pines away ("I'm starving myself to death")and Beauty comes back and weeps more healing tears over him.

Sleeping Beauty: Had pictures of the Prince, all bloody and scraped hacking his way through the fierce hedge to get to his princess.

hurt/comfort? blood?!!

Comments

[veronamay.livejournal.com]

IIRC, the term "tinhat" actually started in its current context in Lotrips fandom, where it was applied to certain crazy people who believed that Elijah Wood and Dominic Monaghan were actually, seekritly in love and were sending messages to their fanbase via certain pieces of clothing and hidden hand gestures and other such nonsense. Which of course brought up the parallel between people who wear tinfoil hats to stop the aliens stealing/invading their thoughts, and voila! New fannish term. (There was a Billy Boyd/Dominic Monaghan answer to the Lotrips tinhatting called "tinkilts", but it just wasn't as much fun because it was a deliberate joke.)

SPN tinhatting is MUCH more of a tongue-in-cheek thing; while there may be folks out there who actually believe in all the stuff you've been seeing fly around the internets, most of us can take the tinhat off and have a rational conversation about how much our boys really and truly love each other and are MFEO, OMG. ;)

LOC = letter of comment. Ye olde school style of sending feedback to an author, usually via email, usually cutting-and-pasting bits of the fic being reviewed and commenting on same. Not often seen in the wild these days.

Also: I loooooooooove unprettified fairy tales. I read a book of pre-Grimmed-up tales once, and for the life of me I can't remember the name or author and I've been wanting to find it ever since. WOE.

[lolabobs.livejournal.com]

re Tinhat - Ah. I see. I love it, it's all good fun - I just couldn't figure out where the terminology came from! Thanks!

LOC - that's what I'd guesed at, it just felt clumsy...

I have a massive chunky old book of fairy tales (probably Hans Christian Anderson), full of agony - he Little Mermaid has her tongue cut out and has to 'walk everyday as on nails' and if the prince doesn't love her within x period of time (he doesn't) she dies!

One where brothers are turned into swans and the sister has to weave shirts for them from stinging nettles to return them to their normal forms - she doesn't quite finish the last in time and the youngest brother is left with a wing instead of an arm!

I love them - I think I was just suprised that these Ladybird books, which as far as I recalled *were* santised, should actually be so strange!

[veronamay.livejournal.com]

I am now having thinky thoughts about fairy tales and a fic comm for such things. I don't know whether to thank you or not. *g*

[jekesta]

I love that zines in serieses print letters of comment for the last zine before the new stories, I love zines.

Is that sleeping beauty thing you describe not always how it happens? I think perhaps I only know fairy tales from these books you describe, they all seem exactly how I remember them.

[lolabobs.livejournal.com]

The sleeping beauty thing I thought I'd remembered it where the prince came across the coffin and was compelled to kiss her because of her beauty whereupon she wakened, not that he came along, saw a dead body and thought "Aha! I'll take that home with me"!

The rest that I quoted are all pretty standard I think. I love them very much, especially the illustrations in my books.

I have a much older book filled with much more graphic and damaging tales - I love them too!

[jekesta]

He steals her, and then drops her beautiful coffin, I think, and then finds out that she is NOT VERY DEAD, she just has some apple in her throat. Fairy tales are very very strange.

I have just scrolled back down to this post and realised that it is probably the reason I underlined titles in my own post. I hardly ever underline things. Yet today they seemed to be how posts went. This is not very pointful comment, but still.

[lolabobs.livejournal.com]

I've been browsing and it appears that yes, every version is the steal and drop the coffin one as opposed to whatever pretty sanitised version I had created for myself!

I am glad to have been influential in the making of your post in whatever fashion!

[ugerchucker.livejournal.com]

Good to know fairy tales played there part in fueling my kinks.

[lolabobs.livejournal.com]

It's good to know that one's kinks had such wholesome beginnings!!!